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02-19-2008, 01:45 PM
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02-19-2008, 01:47 PM
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Finally ? Almost!! 
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02-19-2008, 02:07 PM
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Almost finally!  Good to hear, though.
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02-19-2008, 02:24 PM
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Coming from Robbin Miller, take it with a grain of salt. It ain't done yet.
What it means long term is the complete death of top level open wheel racing in the US. The IRL won't survive either. It's product is generally dull and they only have one asset in an outdated race.
(oh, wait. That's right. The racing doesn't have to be interesting to attract fans... just look at NASCAR) | |
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02-19-2008, 04:20 PM
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Forsythe already has one of their Dallaras. This is a done deal. While I'm usually optimistic, this is awful. Terrible and old chassis, engine supplier on the verge of leaving, and a handful of cars added to an awful schedule. Champ Car will file bankruptcy to keep out of trouble with track promoters and Panoz. What have we gained here? Not much in my eyes. | |
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02-19-2008, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bullitt_60  Forsythe already has one of their Dallaras. This is a done deal. While I'm usually optimistic, this is awful. Terrible and old chassis, engine supplier on the verge of leaving, and a handful of cars added to an awful schedule. Champ Car will file bankruptcy to keep out of trouble with track promoters and Panoz. What have we gained here? Not much in my eyes. | Indeed. How is it that TG still gets to come out "on top"?
Oh yeah-that flat rectangle in the midwest...
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02-19-2008, 05:38 PM
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Yeah, I have been having fun over on the SPEED forums spinning up the IRL fans. So many of them are gloating away. So many of them are saying "Thanks to Tony George" for "unifying AOWR". It is amazing to me that people can't see what is plainly true. And it doesn't matter what you think of IRL, CHAMP car, TG, or KK.
The whole thing is a mess. We are loosing 12 or so decent races a year to be replaced with one or two more IRL races???
IRL fans are using this as an excuse to tell everybody that obviously IRL is better and that oval racing is obviously more exciting. It is pretty sad. Even their attempts to sound reasonable turn into a dig at CHAMP car (which they blame for all the ills in AOWR today... they call them "traitors")
IRL will go the same route as CHAMP car unless something drastically changes. They have bee living on borrowed time and TG's money for far to long as it is.
Panoz takes it in the shorts, especially if they have not been paid for the current cars, the tracks and promoters take a big hit, and mostly, the fans take a huge loss. It is negative all around.
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02-19-2008, 08:47 PM
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I sort of feel bad for some of the smaller support series that have hitched their wagon to the CCWS train. These folks are in for surprise when they have to scramble and make schedule adjustments later this week after the deal is supposed to be announced.
Folks like the new VW Jetta series that just announced their 2008 sked and have TO on it. TO is said to perhaps being gone. Then Miller Cup Mustang is slated for Cleveland, another rumored lost event.
However, I think the likes of the LBGP and Houston, as examples, will not feel a thing. ALMS, WCGT, support series... all provide for a nice slate of sports car racing at those events where applicable.
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02-20-2008, 10:25 AM
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Its going to take a couple of years for them to sort out the calendar, 08 will be a bit rubbish, 09/10 shouild get some better events.
re. the cars, the current Dallaras aren't that amazing (they have something of an open-wheel LMP about them to my eyes) and the DP01 looks better, both are miles better looking than current F1 cars but thats all due to change come 2009 when they ban all the silly aero bits. The IRL had a new car planned for 2011, lets see what they come up with.
Honda have said that they aren't that interested in continuing to supply engines beyond the expiry of their current contract unless they get some competition.
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