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Old 11-07-2007, 04:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No, things that happened this year do not always happen. I will grant that there is always some sort of "Drama" going on in F-1 and yes the underlying prima donna conflicts are always there. Just as the most glaring of differences this year is the 100 million fine mete out to M/M for what in a court of law would have been laughed out!

100 million is a lot and it makes some difference, but other than, nothing new really.
Spy scandals have always happened in GP racing (Peugeot - Hispano-Suiza; Shadow - Arrows), and politcs/interest were always center stage (FISA-FOCA war).
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The cars did not have "more ground effects" this year and they definitely did not have more sticky tires. The aero specs this year were the same as last year with no real change. The tires were spec Bridgestone so there was a definite drop off in tire performance compared to last year when there were two manufacturers duking it out.

You misunderstood me. The 2003 cars had more ground effect downforce and mechanical grip witch is why overtaking was easier.



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I think the TV coverage is actually quite good. No, SPEED does not have control over the cameras, so the cameras will tend to focus on the local hero, but the announcing team and the coverage of practice and qualifying has been very good. I love Steve Machett ( err, as an announcer that is, purely platonic ).

The focus on the local hero and/or leader is why the TV coverage sucks. Missing out on the Massa Kubica battle (thank goodness for youtube) is unexcusable.

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] I agree that without dumbing it down you will have a harder time getting closer racing and more overtaking. However, the quality of racing is still very good, and I think F1 still deserves the "pinnacle of motorsports" title.

That is very arguable because people favor different types of racing (like us here being partial to ALMS), and because people expect different things out of racing. I like F1 for many of the same reasons I like ALMS. The technology and pure majesty of the machines is a big thing to me. I still prefer the ALMS sports car mix over F1, but that doesn't mean that ALMS is the "pinnacle of motorsports". It is more a marketing thing than anything else anyway.

F1's problems stern from the attemps to cut down costs, "humanize" the sport/improve the show and level the field.

Too much dumbing down damage has be done.

Champ Car with the DP01 has proven that slicks and ground effects undertrays/underbody, that F1 has banned, actually works.

The 2011 FIA proposals to bring back movable wings also prove that something could have been done sooner.

The 2009 proposals actually reverses most of the decisions done in the last 15 years, witch were done in the first place to: cut costs, humanize/improve the show, level the field, improve safety. Now they're being reversed for the same reasons.

Grand Prix racing has NEVER been an overtaking spree, nor has it ever been a close field and always only a handfull of cars or less had any chance of winning.
Mosley's attempts to change all this, as if its definitive attributes were now something to shamed about, is what made things worse.

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