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Old 11-02-2007, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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MADRID, Spain -- Former two-time Formula One champion Fernando Alonso has left the McLaren team, Spanish media reported Friday.

Alonso's agent, Luis Garcia Abad, reached a deal with McLaren team chief Ron Dennis under which the driver does not have to pay anything for rescinding his contract, Europa Press reported. CBS Sports
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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F-1 !! What a $eriously $anctimonious $hite-fest of a tela-novella it was this year!
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F-1 !! What a $eriously $anctimonious $hite-fest of a tela-novella it was this year!
Yes, it was and is.
But, you have to admit the racing this year has been better than it has been for at least 5 years if not more.

Part of the problem with F1 is that it is so popular worldwide. There are so many nationalistic rags and paparazzi style reporting going on, that anything could be reported as fact no matter how outlandish it is.

There are rumors that part of the agreement with Fred and Ron is that Fred isn't supposed to sign with a manufacturer based team for at least one year. I have a hard time believing that one. Seems to me if you null a contract, then it is null unless you sign a different agreement. I do think that Fred wants out bad enough that he actually might agree to something like that though.
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Well I will probably take a lot of flack but I really do not like F-1. The technology, performance etc... is uber-fantastic but when it comes to being a compelling competitive spectacle it falls way flat in my opinion. They always are on the leader and usually the only overtaking happens in the pits, boring!! The proverbial parade on steroids exemplified!
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Well I will probably take a lot of flack but I really do not like F-1.
Not from me...I have very similar feelings. If there isn't multi-classes on the track at once....what's the point IMO.
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^ Hallen:
2003 was in some ways better than this year. The cars had more ground effects and stickier tires and overtaking was better, and there were more winning drivers and teams.

HORNDAWG :
- it's a Circus, and things like this always happened, although now it gets more tabloid coverage
- overtaking happens on the track too, tough mostly it's left to the mid-field and backmarkers, and unfortunately the TV coverage kinda sucks
- without a serious dumbing-down/spec-ing/penalties like in other racing series there won't be a close(r) field. But in turns this denies it pinnacle status.
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No, things that happened this year do not always happen. I will grant that there is always some sort of "Drama" going on in F-1 and yes the underlying prima donna conflicts are always there. Just as the most glaring of differences this year is the 100 million fine mete out to M/M for what in a court of law would have been laughed out!
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2003 was in some ways better than this year. The cars had more ground effects and stickier tires and overtaking was better, and there were more winning drivers and teams.

HORNDAWG :
- it's a Circus, and things like this always happened, although now it gets more tabloid coverage
- overtaking happens on the track too, tough mostly it's left to the mid-field and backmarkers, and unfortunately the TV coverage kinda sucks
- without a serious dumbing-down/spec-ing/penalties like in other racing series there won't be a close(r) field. But in turns this denies it pinnacle status.
I am not sure what you are quoting there.. but I assume the text below my name is your comments.

The cars did not have "more ground effects" this year and they definitely did not have more sticky tires. The aero specs this year were the same as last year with no real change. The tires were spec Bridgestone so there was a definite drop off in tire performance compared to last year when there were two manufacturers duking it out.

Even though I am not a Ron Dennis fan, I think I know what he meant when he implied the internet was responsible for most of the internal strife at McLaren this year. I think he was saying that because the internet can have stories up in minutes, and there is a wide variety of quality and bias in the reporting, almost anything can get posted as factual news when it really isn't. You have to take most F1 "reports" with a large grain of salt.

I think the TV coverage is actually quite good. No, SPEED does not have control over the cameras, so the cameras will tend to focus on the local hero, but the announcing team and the coverage of practice and qualifying has been very good. I love Steve Machett ( err, as an announcer that is, purely platonic ).

I agree that without dumbing it down you will have a harder time getting closer racing and more overtaking. However, the quality of racing is still very good, and I think F1 still deserves the "pinnacle of motorsports" title.

That is very arguable because people favor different types of racing (like us here being partial to ALMS), and because people expect different things out of racing. I like F1 for many of the same reasons I like ALMS. The technology and pure majesty of the machines is a big thing to me. I still prefer the ALMS sports car mix over F1, but that doesn't mean that ALMS is the "pinnacle of motorsports". It is more a marketing thing than anything else anyway.
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There are, for me anyway, only two exciting moments (or could be) during an F1 race...

The start going into T1 (only happens once)...

..and the pit stops....but with 101 guys leaping over the wall, oops....strike that, no wall,..ahem...but with 101 guys working on the car all at once, even that is somewhat of a mayk 'yawner'.....

Still....I watch when I can....go figure!
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Same as mayk.

I sometimes enjoy qualifying more then the actually race.
So I end up gbpvr (tivo) ing it and watching when I have time... usually skipping to the end to see who won.
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